[curves] Distribution-ready optimized code
liquidsun at gmail.com
Fri Apr 3 04:02:22 PDT 2015
OpenSSL's idea is interesting, but is a fairly horrible
implementation. The 32 bit x86 stuff uses a 'psuedo' language by
abusing perl while everything else (arm, x86-64, etc) is just parsing
raw asm, and everything has random kludges for specific instructions.
There's also no way to import/convert existing asm to their weird
pseudo-x86 format, and the C compiler (as well as the perl script!)
has no (easy) way to tell if the assembler even supports the
instruction set(s) being compiled.
I don't really like the "programmable assembler assembler" code being
distributed as the sole file either, especially when it's trying to
re-use bits of code while generating for multiple instruction sets
(like OpenSSL does). It's difficult/impossible to tell what it is
doing without seeing the generated output, and trying to fix an issue
affecting one instruction set without stepping on the others would be
Ideally, I think I'd want two different steps: An easy to use
"programmable assembler assembler" which handles boring stuff like
register allocation, stack allocation, instruction set validation,
constant data, stream interleaving (ARM), maybe a cycle/pipeline
analyzer such as http://pulsar.webshaker.net/ccc/ if I got greedy. I
guess I'm mostly describing PeachPy, but parsing some kind of source
file instead of the nasty python code; something that makes writing
the exact instructions you want as painless/efficient as possible.
Step 1 could also produce the annotations needed for verification
(automatically generated based on instructions and/or hand annotated),
metadata for Step 2 like # of arguments, xmm registers used for Win64,
Step 2 is what you would need to include in any project using the
intermediate files, something to take the output from the first step
and perform all the necessary platform specific stuff that is only
known at compile time - ABI conversion, formatting for the assembler
code if needed, proper keywords/metadata for the output format. Maybe
just a static set of macros that are selected with ifdefs based on
what ./configure finds, maybe a separate program/script which creates
the final assembler file to compile.
You'd then have the option of
1. Distribute the intermediate file and use Step 2 to build
2. Distribute the source and the intermediate and use Step 2 to build, or
3. Distribute the source and use both Step 1 & 2 to build
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Trevor Perrin <trevp at trevp.net> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Samuel Neves <sneves at dei.uc.pt> wrote:
>> On 03/19/2015 05:03 PM, Watson Ladd wrote:
>>> What about mixed 1 and 4? Distribute asm a tool made.
>> This has the same problem as 1: you don't simply distribute one assembly dump, you have to distribute one for each
>> toolchain/ABI/etc combo.
>> It's not really a major problem, but it is annoying enough that I would very much prefer if the tool came with the
>> distribution. For that to happen, the tool must be portable, polished, etc. OpenSSL went with Perl, but I would prefer
>> something better.
> So the OpenSSL approach is to emit asm from scripts. This allows
> syntactic sugar (e.g. variable names for stack locations, loop
> unrolling). There's also support for translating to different
> toolchain / ABI formats (e.g. it can convert AT&T syntax to Intel).
> It seems like you're okay with this approach but want a higher-quality
> tool that could be reused outside OpenSSL? (so asm source could be
> written in "perlasm" or similar and be ingested by different
> This makes sense but I wonder if having the source file be a
> string-processing script loses the ability to have code auditors or
> formal-methods tools validate the code at a higher level?
> I don't know that anyone's doing much formal validation of ECC
> codebases yet, but it seems like a potential good idea. If the input
> source is a Perl script any formal validation tools would need to
> understand Perl (not likely) or would need to understand asm, and be
> re-run on every output flavor...
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