[curves] Ed25519 "clamping" and its effect on hierarchical key derivation
zaki at manian.org
zaki at manian.org
Mon Mar 6 12:04:52 PST 2017
This clamping question also impacts how Tor's Next Generation Onion
services will blind keys from the Onion Services Directory authorities.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:36 PM Tony Arcieri <bascule at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ed25519 performs the following operations on private scalars immediately
> prior to use:
> scalar &= 248;
> scalar &= 63;
> scalar |= 64;
> I've heard this referred to as "clamping" although that may not be the
> best term.
> These operations are not applied to the canonical scalar, i.e. the one
> which is serialized and persisted as part of the keypair. Instead Ed25519
> implementations generally flip these bits immediately prior to use, either
> for signing or deriving the public key.
> From what I've read, this bitflipping is intended to accomplish the
> - Prevent small subgroup attacks: flipping these bits makes the scalar
> a multiple of the cofactor, which I understand is supposed to help prevent
> small subgroup attacks. However, reading about these attacks, they don't
> seem to help the attacker very much.
> - Defense against deficient implementations: I'm not sure I really
> understand the rationale here, but my understanding is there are certain
> classes of implementation defects this helps guard against.
> So far, it's been pretty troublesome finding a really good explanation of
> what this bitflipping is actually for or anyone who feels particularly
> strongly as to its importance. The general reaction I've gotten asking
> about them is akin to "djb flipped these bits... he must have his reasons".
> Flipping these bits is particularly troublesome for implementing
> hierarchical key derivation schemes (e.g. semiprivate keys, BIP-32) which
> rely on commutative groups to allow holders of master public keys to derive
> child public keys by multiplying by scalar values which can be derived by
> both the public and private key holders (a.k.a. "hardened" vs
> "non-hardened" derivation in BIP-32 schemes).
> In these schemes, it's not possible to "clamp" the derived scalar
> immediately prior to signing ("post-clamping" I guess?), as this would
> result in a different public key (i.e. the math simply does not work out as
> the groups are no longer commutative). Instead, if any clamping is to be
> performed it must happen immediately to the parent scalar, and/or to any
> scalars derived by both the public and private key holders in such a scheme.
> My intuition is that "clamping" more than once is detrimental in that the
> clamping operation weakens the key. Not really being sure about the purpose
> though, I'm not sure if "pre-clamping" is sufficient to guard against these
> I'm very curious if "clamping" can simply be omitted, as it seems to
> largely be a defense-in-depth measure which guards against a handful of
> low-severity theoretical attacks. It complicates HKD schemes and, done
> incorrectly in the context of such a scheme, I'm worried it might actually
> harm security.
> Tony Arcieri
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