<html><head></head><body>You may want to check out <a href="https://whispersystems.org/blog/advanced-ratcheting">https://whispersystems.org/blog/advanced-ratcheting</a> too.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On November 27, 2015 2:29:21 PM EST, Tony Arcieri <bascule@gmail.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> <div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Matt Corallo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:moderncrypto@bluematt.me" target="_blank" onclick="window.open('https://mail.google.com/mail/?view=cm&tf=1&to=moderncrypto@bluematt.me&cc=&bcc=&su=&body=','_blank');return false;">moderncrypto@bluematt.me</a>></span> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">I can't claim to know the full history, but considering the ratcheting stuff is critical in the serverless world that TextSecure started in, I'd assume there is no non-Axolotl TextSecure.</blockquote><div><br /></div><div>I ask specifically because the OWS blog post I linked makes no mention of Axolotl/ratcheting:</div><div><br /></div><div><a href="https://whispersystems.org/blog/asynchronous-security/">https://whispersystems.org/blog/asynchronous-security/</a></div><div><br /></div><div>It does mention pre-keys though, and that was what I meant in my original comment. Perhaps they were working on Axolotl at the time and just didn't mention it in this post.</div><div><br /></div><div>I would definitely agree that Wickr's protocol is not as advanced as what's available in e.g. Signal today.</div></div><div><br /></div><div>If anyone from OWS knows the history here, I'd be curious.</div><div><br /></div>-- <br /><div class="gmail_signature">Tony Arcieri<br /></div> </div></div> </blockquote></div></body></html>