<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> </head> <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Could you clarify what are Tor knockoffs? Haven't heard about it before and can't find anything useful with these keywords myself. <blockquote type="cite">You cannot use a stream cipher for onion encryption in most mix networks designs, only a wide-block cipher like AEZ, Lioness (too slow), or most likely the up-coming HHFHFHFH. </blockquote> I've not explored mix networks too much, so my understanding is limited, could you give some links where I can read why? Just to give a bit more context, I'm going to build a network that will only have something similar to Tor's hidden services, namely all of the traffic will be inside of the network. Also bandwidth requirements are expected to be very low and while latency requirements are quite high (only occasionally), it is not critical if there would be several seconds delay sometimes. <pre class="moz-signature" cols="0">Sincerely, Nazar Mokrynskyi github.com/nazar-pc</pre> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/12/17 6:28 PM, Jeff Burdges wrote: </div> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:1507822106.8341.243.camel@gnunet.org"> <pre wrap=""> You could maybe do this for Tor knockoffs, but not for anonymity systems more generally. And actually nobody but I2P does Tor "knockoffs" anyways. On Tue, 2017-10-10 at 14:18 +0300, Nazar Mokrynskyi wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">* choose your crypto (like Noise IK for end-to-end encryption and some stream cipher for onion-like non-authenticated layered encryption) </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> You cannot use a stream cipher for onion encryption in most mix networks designs, only a wide-block cipher like AEZ, Lioness (too slow), or most likely the up-coming HHFHFHFH. Jeff </pre> </blockquote> </body> </html>