<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div>You wrote:<div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op di 9 jun. 2020 om 11:19 schreef Mike Hearn <<a href="mailto:mike@plan99.net">mike@plan99.net</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div><div style="display:none;border:0px;width:0px;height:0px;overflow:hidden"><img src="https://r.superhuman.com/qYyI7f34fjTR4aC9B0kU4LwaezIRyUOVOPwkhxvubvtj1LADdP2Jl79b4MTDY3y9dWysAavX0A4T_1lkz3SDehBbQaUHEZM-a9Xl4GAaRF6T0OjXIqAIEATn7uDflDhCR9qU-gR2Ux5LHN1Sr0WoxLY.gif" alt="" width="1" height="0" style="display: none; border: 0px; width: 0px; height: 0px; overflow: hidden;"></div><div><div><div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div><div><div>Whilst pitched for privacy advocates, if that were true they'd presumably make it easier to buy them via their website and charge less. The fact that it's so expensive and that they're only leasable implies something odd is going on there. It won't surprise me if at some point EncroPhone gets silently taken over by the Dutch police and used in a sting operation, in the same way that Tor markets sometimes were. For them to be legally safe they'd have to avoid anything that could be used to prove a criminal conspiracy, which from your description of how they operate and the news articles sounds unlikely.<br></div></div><div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It's maybe worth to note that Dutch police have done so in the past, see e.g. the Ennetcom case ( <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/22/dutch-police-ennetcom-shut-down-owner-arrested">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/22/dutch-police-ennetcom-shut-down-owner-arrested</a> ) and IronChat (<a href="https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2018/11/09/258000-encrypted-ironchat-phone-messages-cracked-by-police/">https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2018/11/09/258000-encrypted-ironchat-phone-messages-cracked-by-police/</a>).</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Thom Wiggers</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div><div><div> <br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div><div><div></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div>
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