<div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jun 21, 2020, 2:08 AM Peter Gutmann <<a href="mailto:pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Mike Hearn <<a href="mailto:mike@plan99.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">mike@plan99.net</a>> writes:<br>
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><a href="https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/06/20/news/wave-of-arrests-after-breach-of-encrypted-communication-network-1980136/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/06/20/news/wave-of-arrests-after-breach-of-encrypted-communication-network-1980136/</a><br>
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I like the lawyer's comments:<br>
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  The concerning feature here is the absolute dearth of press reporting and<br>
  media attention in respect of a massive wholesale breach of an encrypted<br>
  communication platform.<br>
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How dare the media not notify the criminals that their communications have<br>
been compromised!<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Just to address this, the arrests mentioned were "conspiracy" and the evidence collection involved massive compromise of the phone OSs themselves.  Over here, discussing ideas in private is not a crime, but using malware to control a community is.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As laws get more oppressive we also don't want to assume that breaking them is a bad thing when they aren't themselves good.  Civil rights over here were only made by civil disobedience, which landed many in jail and some in prison for life.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Karl Semich</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Peter.<br>
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