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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=RU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I don’t think we need </span><span lang=EN-US>canonicalization (yet) because it’s basically a write-once operation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Might be useful with some kind of certificates, but even then it’s not a big deal. We can just treat whatever message as an array of bytes and forbid editing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>BTW looks like Google uses some homegrown protocol instead of TLS inside their infrastructure. Seems like a good place for NoiseSocket to fit in </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>😊</span><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Noise [mailto:noise-bounces@moderncrypto.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tony Arcieri<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 28, 2017 8:48 PM<br><b>To:</b> David Wong <davidwong.crypto@gmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> noise <noise@moderncrypto.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [noise] "have one joint and keep it oiled"<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 8:53 AM, David Wong <<a href="mailto:davidwong.crypto@gmail.com" target="_blank">davidwong.crypto@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal>I think I can see from that why Trevor wants to use something<br>flexible/extensible like protobuf in the payload parts of handshake<br>patterns. Is there more discussions on this? I've only found this:<br><a href="https://moderncrypto.org/mail-archive/noise/2017/001373.html" target="_blank">https://moderncrypto.org/mail-archive/noise/2017/001373.html</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Serialization is certainly an interest area of mine.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On that front, DeepMind (where Ben Laurie works inside of Alphabet) just put up a project for computing structured/nested content hashes of protos (as an alternative to canonicalization):<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://github.com/deepmind/objecthash-proto">https://github.com/deepmind/objecthash-proto</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Tony Arcieri<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>