[noise] Transport protocol spec finalizing

Trevor Perrin trevp at trevp.net
Tue Jul 11 10:36:31 PDT 2017

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Scratch <scratch.net at gmail.com> wrote:
> So, looks like we agreed on the handshake part. It looks pretty lightweight
> and extendable at the same time.

Yeah, I think the discussion has stabilized enough that we should
specify and implement this, and see what we learn.

> Things that are to be finalized:
> - Padding. The latest proposal about having 2 bytes length .. n bytes
> padding inside payload looks good to me

 - 2 bytes: body_len
 - body_len bytes: body
 - remaining bytes: padding

(So that the body is always in the same offset at the start of
payload, maybe easier to process).

This still seems fine to me.  I think we should probably put this only
in the encrypted payloads though, not the cleartext ClientHello

The rationale for that was that the padding could server as an
additional area for negotiation data, but since we now have an
explicit negotiation_data field, and the ClientHello cleartext payload
itself, I don't think we need a 3rd area, and it seems cleaner to only
pad the encrypted payloads.

> - Name. NoiseLink is Ok, though on DEF CON it's already NoiseSocket
> https://cryptovillage.org/dc25/schedule.html so we'll need to say smth about
> it.

Let's think on this a little more (is there any deadline for updating
the DEF CON material)?  If we don't think NoiseLink improves on
NoiseSocket that much we could consider leaving it.

One point: I strongly think you should avoid statements like
"NoiseSocket changes Transport Layer Security #TLS", or "enables quick
and seamless Transport Layer Security (TLS)".

TLS isn't a generic term, it's a specific protocol.  We need to be
clear that NoiseSocket and TLS are different protocols.

> - API. Same as in Trevor's proposal
> https://moderncrypto.org/mail-archive/noise/2017/001135.html
> adjusted to our latest agreements.

Yeah, it will need some adjustments, and maybe there should be a

> Thoughts?
> I could start a spec if there's no objections

Sure, I might try a writeup as well in next week or so, if I have
time, and we can compare them and take the best pieces, or merge in
some way.


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