[messaging] Message persistence

carlo von lynX lynX at i.know.you.are.psyced.org
Fri Jan 23 06:44:38 PST 2015

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:06:15AM +0100, Natanael wrote:
> Den 15 jan 2015 03:47 skrev <steve at actor.im>:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Are there some best practices for keeping all encrypted message history
> securely on server or on client for accessing them later with single
> hardware or software key like ubikey?
> To preserve PFS, let the client re-encrypt and upload. The client cloud
> sign or MAC the ciphertext to prevent modification.

A more advanced way to store messages is to have them encrypted
with an incremental ratchet at creation time, so the stored
messages are interesting for only as long as the recipient has
the necessary ratchet state. The moment the recipient chooses
to no longer care to be able to access that part of the online
archives, she just forgets about past ratchet state and sticks
to a more recent one. From that point on, forward secrecy is kept.

This idea of re-encrypting and re-uploading stuff sounds
completely bogus to me. Only makes sense if you are
desperately clinging to 80's technology.

This entire thread sounds like you are talking about PGP messages.
If that is the case please state so - ideally in the subject, so I
know it is irrelevant for me.

Let me know if I got something wrong or, vice versa, if this
point of view from somebody who prefers 2010 technology is

Also, if you want more people to participate, some of the
contributors would have to turn on plain text emailing. HTML-only
mails are not going to get attention by all mailing list members.


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