[noise] Signatures and handshake payloads (was Re: Noise @ Highload++ in Moscow)

Tony Arcieri bascule at gmail.com
Tue Nov 14 14:01:01 PST 2017

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Trevor Perrin <trevp at trevp.net> wrote:

> Protobufs (v3) specifies a JSON mapping [1], so maybe taking a simple
> subset of the protobufs language would give us something that's fairly
> readable and easy to work with, has good language support, and has
> good binary and string (JSON) encodings?

"simple subset of the protobufs language" sounds fairly close to a project
of mine which is intended for serializing credentials:


However based on the rest of your comments, it sounds like you'd prefer a
strict subset of Protobufs which can leverage the extant ecosystem/tooling,
as opposed to a Proto-"inspired" format with breaking changes.

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 12:51 PM, David Wong <davidwong.crypto at gmail.com>

> Another good question to ask is what is Noise trying to solve? Will
> things like SNI or X.509 ever be relevant for Noise?

X.509 would be nice for:

- institutions that already invest heavily in X.509 as their primary
certificate/key management solution
- "the devil you know" in absence of an e.g. Protobuf-based system

Tony Arcieri
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