[messaging] Matrix.. is Federation at odds with Privacy?

steve at actor.im steve at actor.im
Thu Apr 16 07:13:09 PDT 2015

Federalization is required in high-latency mobile networks for providing smallest response time.

16.04.2015, 15:18, "carlo von lynX" <lynX at i.know.you.are.psyced.org>:
> On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 07:53:34PM -0800, Tony Arcieri wrote:
>>  Looks interesting:
>>  http://matrix.org/
> I was asked to compare Matrix to previous efforts such
> as XMPP and PSYC1/PSYC2 and in intellectual exchange
> with Matthew from Matrix came up with this list of
> pros and cons:
>         http://about.psyc.eu/Matrix
> As you've discussed already the state management features
> of Matrix are very advanced, making XMPP look pale in
> comparison. Also PSYC1 never needed to go that far, so
> if the stuff Matrix says it is doing actually works, they
> have already surpassed our work in this field.
> What I consider relevant to this mailing list concerning
> Matrix is the way it sticks to the old server-based
> federation model.  I have collected some criticism about
> federation in
>         http://about.psyc.eu/Federation
> and dare to assert that Federation is by definition at
> odds with Privacy, in particular metadata privacy. All
> of these technologies should look at ways to shift the
> power away from the large surveillance honeypots called
> servers towards the many harder to infiltrate private
> devices and home systems.
> Matthew stated that federation is necessary in order to
> be backwards compatible to legacy 3rd party systems such
> as XMPP, IRC, Google or Facebook. I highly doubt both
> the idea that backwards compatibility is a goal worth
> abandoning metadata privacy for and that a distributed
> system using anonymous routing would not be able to run
> a few commodity gateways to legacy infrastructure, maybe
> reducing the quality of anonymity in the process - but
> never as much as throwing it to the bin in the first place.
> What do you guys think? Is Federation really still worth the
> attention of so many brilliant minds if it won't ever deliver
> what humanity needs from the Internet?
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